>> in the district of columbia they charge you for a nickel saying it will help. happy birthday. that's all we have got tonight. thanks for being with us. campbell brown starts right now. cnn prime time begins right now. hi there, everybody. president obama traveling into the belly of the beast today to lower manhattan to preach his gospel of financial reform directly to wall street ceos. some are surprised to see him battle goldman sachs chief there. these are, of course, the very same ceos he called fat cats just a few months ago. the president toning it down some today but what are the odds of actually getting something done here? we are going to talk to two of the senators who wrote the bill. in arizona, war of words tonight over the immigration law to require police to question anybody they suspect is in this country illegally.

the governor has until saturday to sign the bill. we went to arizona to find out what is really going on there. a controversial program that has some drug addicts getting sterilized for cash. some say it protects children from drugs. critics saul it nazi style social engineering. we begin as always with our cheat sheet of the day's top stories, the mash up. the top domestic story, the latest on the oil rig explosion off the louisiana coast. looks like an environmental disaster in the making here. a five-mile long slick of crude spreading across the gulf of mexico around the area where the rig sank earlier today. take a look. >> all right. i'm just getting news in. the u.s. coast guard confirming the rig has sunk. >> as investigators try to determine what caused the blow-out, what was an industrial

accident is now in danger of becoming an ecological disaster. >> the coast guard says more than a million gallons of oil and diesel could spill into the gulf of mexico. >> the air search for 11 workers resumed at daybreak with choppers with coast guard cutters that stayed on the water overnight looking for any signs of life. >> officials believe the missing men they have been on the platform and may not have had enough time to escape. loved ones can do little but hope. >> and we're going to have a lot more on this coming up later in the show. the big international story tonight, iran's war games. the country's revolutionary guard held military maneuvers in the straits of hormuz today, a day after teheran accused washington of trying to dominate the world with the nuclear arsen arsenal. >> iran says that the drill called the great prophet 5 is taking place in the strategic strait of hormuz. >> the u.s. trying to determine

if iran has something new to show here or an iranian bluff. >> they clearly have -- are trying to develop and to some extent have developed short range and medium range capabilities. you know? and so, our forces in iraq and afghanistan would certainly be within that range. >> a senior american defense official on wednesday ruled out a military strike any time soon saying the emphasis instead will be on sanctions. >> the obama administration accused them of seeking to build a nuclear weapon. the gift that keeps on giving. joe biden's "f" bomb he was on "the view" today talking about israel to sarah palin and the ladies asked for the back story on the expletive heard around the world. listen to his description of the president's reaction. >> we got in a -- in thely motto

go over to another event and he was laughing like the devil. i said, when's so funny? i don't see anything funny about this. he said, well, katie, my secretary said when you said that to me everybody could hear it. oh god. >> what is the appeal of sarah palin exactly? do you think? >> look. if you meet her, she is a charming person. >> is it something that the administration's eyeing in 2012 or she's someone that they consider to be a legitimate threat again? >> look. we -- i'm -- >> yes? >> i -- sarah said -- did governor says she is not running. >> also, the israelis now are debating whether they should attack themselves without -- >> attack iran. >> attack iran without u.s. permission. if they decided to do that, what are your thoughts? >> they're not going to do that. they're not going to do that.

>> on a lighter note, the president also let slip that he had to propose to his wife jill five times before she accepted. and the story that is getting all the buzz tonight comes from the team behind "south park." could the creators have gone too far this time? last week's episode had the prophet mohammed in a bear suit and prompted groups of an islamic group. tonight comedy central they wouldn't allow the use of the world mohammed. listen. ♪ >> okay. so [ bleep ]. that is [ bleep ]. that's santa claus. >> sorry, boys. i tried. >> oh, crap. >> boys, you got santa to be [ bleep ] when? >> when you said -- we promised jesus [ bleep ] would be in the

u-haul. >> i'm sorry. i thought my idea would work for you. >> if we were going to have someone in a bear costume, why would we actually have it be mohammed? >> stone and parker say comedy central wouldn't approve streaming the uncensored version online. that does bring us to the punch line tonight. so risk of sensorship here. just david letterman over the volcano in iceland. take a look. >> talking about air travel and the volcano. good news, ladies and gentlemen, regular airline service is resuming. that's the good news. the bad news, regular airline service is resuming. >> david letterman, everybody. that is your "match-up." coming up, president obama today here in new york city for a big push to change the way business is done on wall street but wait until you hear what the traders on the floor had to say.

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straight from the floor of new york stock exchange. take a listen. >> i'm here because i believe that these reforms are in the end not only in the best interest of our country but in the best interest of the financial sector. >> we all agree that there has to be changes to the rules and regulation that is are in place. we just need to make sure that the pendulum doesn't swing too far. >> wall street is the most overregulated industry i'm aware of. it always has been. >> we don't want to be like -- i remember used car sales men. we are wall street. we're professional. we want that out there. >> i did the one institution to get so big to take down the institution, i don't think we want to go there again. tax may be a reasonable approach. >> the blame can't be on wall street. the blame has to focus on washington. washington taken the reins to try to fix the problems. >> i urge all of you to join us. >> is wall street going to join the president? >> probably looking out for its own interests somewhat. >> i think wall street is going to put their best foot forward

to try to make sure that washington understands our markets, understands our products and understands how we are going to move forward. >> a little bit of relief. i think folks expected to be scolded aggressively. didn't work out that way. the president did reach out a little bit and urged us to get on board together. >> will the president's plan change the way wall street does business? earlier i spoke with virginia democratic senator mark warner and tennessee republican bob corker, both have been working together on this issue for more than a year. >> senator corker, you've called this bill regulation light. i know. president obama made his case today. you heard him. was there anything that he said that convinced you that this package is worth voting for? >> well, look. i mean, mark and i have been working together for a year on a 1,400-page bill. we know the details of it. there's nothing a president's going to say to affect me and i think mark. we know the substance of the

bill and things need to be corrected and certainly the work we have done together is an indication there are at least two senators here who want to get to a regulation bill that works for the country. there are issues from my standpoint. i'll let mark speak for himself but i want to get us to a place where we have a bill that will stand the test of time that will strengthen our financial system, protect consumers and do everything we can to ensure what happened a couple of years ago doesn't happen again. >> senator warner, i think one of the big criticisms i have heard from democrats and republicans that ultimately the bill doesn't address what many believe is the fundamental problem. it doesn't stop these banks from becoming too big to fail, the words we have heard over and over, which everyone says that the main cause of the financial crisis. why not? why can't we put that in the bill? >> i actually think that criticism is fundamentally flawed. i think there are certain things to do to tighten it up but what

we have put in the bill, this is a section that bob and i worked on, were higher capital requirements for the large financial institutions. an ability to look at their leverage rates. we have put a whole new category of convertible debt to convert into shareholders if a bank gets into trouble. we put a requirement basically a bank has got to show how it can unwind itself through bankruptcy if it is real large and that plan has to be signed off and then we said if still all these trip wires don't work, there is an ability to resolve this firm. we want them in bankruptcy but we have said at the end of the day never again will taxpayers be exposed and i think we both found there are ways to keep lights on as you put a firm into basically receivership, as you turn the lights out and make the shareholders toast the management team toast and people who criticized the fact that we thought that maybe the industry ought to prefund that basically

resolution fund. >> let me just ask you both very quickly about the $50 billion liquidation fund which, frankly, a lot of democrats do seem to be drifting away from, senator warner. tim geithner said he is willing to let it go. the white house was never on board with the idea. will this be dropped from the bill? >> i think we actually originally put in $25 million and no moral hazard and got of the some funds available to keep the lights on. if not prefunded by the industry, you can boar reagainst that but there's potentially taxpayer exposure. we worked on the idea. a trust vehicle. there's other ways and got to have the money available to orderly put the business, put this big institution out of business and don't destroy the financial system when they go down. >> senator corker, you are on republican leader mitch mcconnell said in his view, this bailout fund would

institutionalize bailouts in his words. do you think he's wrong? >> well, it's not a bailout fund. the fact is that there are some things that need to be tightened in this bill and i think we both agree that some flexibility given to regulators and they'll take them sometimes so you don't want those. what i want to make sure is that if a company fails, it absolutely fails and goes out of business and i think that's what we've been committed to working out. the bill's not perfect that regard because changes were made but we know how to get it back where it needs to be and i think we are committed to doing that. >> both of you finally, senator corker, are confident that you're going to get this done and how many republicans do you think will join with democrats? >> i'm not confident. look. i don't think there's a republican senator that spent more time on financial regulation than myself. i don't think there's a democratic senator that's spent more time than mark. i'm not confident. i've been hearing some of the

policy drift over the last day or two. i hope it happens and i hope it happens before we have the motion to proceed next monday night but, you know, at the end of the day, campbell, bipartisan means something that both sides large numbers both sides of the aisle agree to and right now i'm a little concerned about the policy drift that's taking place but after all this time i'm very hopeful that we do get something that ends too big to fail and deals with some of those other issues that you have alluded to tonight. >> i think candidly the american people 18 months after the meltdown expects us to work together and we have shown that we can work together and i think that our colleagues will do the same. i'm hopeful. >> senator warner, senator corker, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. when we come back, that controversial immigration bill in arizona, sitting on the governor's desk awaiting her signature. emotions continue to run high on both sides.

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tonight, the pressure is on arizona's governor jan brewer and it is building. she has until midnight saturday

to decide if she is going to sign the country's toughest law against illegal immigration. police would be able to question and arrest anyone they thought could be there illegally. the governor made it known today she is not ready to make the call yet but the heat rising on both sides now. casey wian is in phoenix tonight for us. >> governor's office. >> reporter: jan brewer's office had to install an extra phone line to handle all the calls. >> asking the governor -- >> reporter: thousands and thousands of calls both for and against a pending arizona law to give local police more power to apprehend illegal immigrants. opponents prayed inside and marched outside. arizona 1070 would require police when practical to check the immigration status of people they have a reasonable suspicion of being in the united states illegally. brewer has until midnight saturday to either sign, veto the bill or do nothing in which case it becomes law.

although the bill specifically prohibits officers from using race or skin color as the sole basis for an immigration status check, protesters believe it would lead to racial profiling. >> there are so many families in the community paranoid not knowing whether they can take the kids to school, go to the store. >> reporter: what do you say to the fears? >> absolutely not. this is where those people mainly outside of arizona should be ashamed. that they're now putting us, the protectors of our families, as the boogie men. that we are going to out and randomly stop people because of their race or color or some other reason. that's not what we do. we go after criminals. >> reporter: a bus load of out of state activists arrived thursday. joining protesters who far outnumbered supporters at the capital that may not be the case statewide. >> this is not the perfect immigration bill but as a resident in arizona for 27 years, i have watched this

problem grow and grow and grow and the bigger it gets the more dangerous it gets. >> reporter: back at the governor's office, staffers answer phones in rotating shifts. fielding calls from a divided public angstly awaiting the governor's decision. >> i want to show you right now, this is a live picture of the demonstration still going on there in phoenix. casey is live there for us, as well. we saw with the one officer but this isn't on the books yet and already the arizona association of chiefs of police is saying that it would hobble their ability in their words here to fulfill their many responsibilities in a timely manner. the law enforcement community is really divided on this, isn't it? >> reporter: absolutely. i don't want to oversimplify things but you have law enforcement in urban areas like phoenix with heavy immigrant populations and worried if the

illegal immigrants are afraid they will have a difficult time solving other crimes. meanwhile, you have law enforcement officers in more rural counties where illegal immigrants and smugglers and drug smugglers are running rampant in the rural areas. they say the resources are being strained by having to chase these folks, by other crimes, there are law enforcement officers involved in shootouts with the immigrant and drug smugglers saying they need laws like this. there's a clear split in the law enforcement community, everyone wants the governor to act on this bill. they want it to happen soon. we don't know if that's going to happen and seems like she is waiting until the deadline expires. maybe going to let the law take effect and maybe try to avoid some political heat. campbell? >> i don't think that's possible. but we'll see what happens how this plays out. casey wian for us, thanks very much. tonight, when we come back, we'll meet a woman who took $300 to stop having children. the reason, she is a drug

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movement to stop drug addicts from having children by giving them cold, hard cash. they're being paid to get sterilized. cnn's dan simon shows who's behind the mission and who's agreeing to this extraordinary tradeoff. >> reporter: we are on highway 99 in california's central valley. across the country in north carolina, there's an organization that pays women not to have anymore babies. we're about to meet someone out here who accepted that controversial offer. where did you move from? this is jo ann, 32 years old and a recovering drug addict. she recently gave birth to twins who tested positive for meth. child protective services took them and her children other children away and put them in foster care. as a mother, explain what that was like. >> it's hard to sit there and to explain to your children, mom, did they take us? you know what i'm saying?

and to have to tell them, look. they took you away because of my drug use. >> reporter: a few months ago, jo ann says a california social worker told her about project preventi prevention. the group targets drug addicts with a $300 cash incentive not to have children. we've seen project prevention in communities to recruit candidates. >> we have a nonprofit organization and offer cash incentives to use long term birth control. >> i thought it was a good idea. i'm not proud of the fact my babies were born under the influence and it's a mistake that i made but trying -- i do see the point of view that this lady is trying to do. she is trying to keep babies from being born under the influence. >> reporter: that lady is barbara harris. >> it's a one-time payment of $300. if they get the iud, it is

payments every six months when they verify that the device is still in place. >> i got the iud. when you are on drugs, you aren't thinking about using condoms. you aren't thinking about taking a pill. you're just having sex out there using. and if it -- she's going to give you $300 to get aiud in place for ten years, maybe you can get that chance to go out there and get sober. >> reporter: there's a critic in hawaii -- >> it is better to give the message here's recovery and you can have a wonderful life and raise children of your own and be a great parent than it is to say there's no hope for you and take the sterilization. >> who's to say if i didn't get this done and if i was still out there using that i wouldn't come out pregnant again? if i was to come out pregnant again, who's to say i won't do it over and over again? it's a cycle. if i don't break it now, who's

to say i won't keep doing it? >> reporter: it's been a month since she took the deal. no more children she says. she's been to drug rehab and undergone counseling. she hopes to get her five kids back in a few weeks and vows to remain drug free. dan simon, cnn, california. up next, barbara harris is here to explain and defend her program and she'll be joined by one of the most outspoken critics when we come back.

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it pays to get more, it pays to discover. why would women agree to be sterilized in exchange for $300? barbara harris started the program 13 years ago. she's paid addicts in all 50 states and now plans to expand the program to england. lynn paltrow is the executive director of national advocates for pregnant women. welcome to both of you. barbara, let me start with you here. this is a controversial program. you believe in it so strongly. why do you think this is necessary? >> well, first of all, we don't just sterilize women. it is about long-term birth control, as well. i believe in it because there's no reason anybody's yet to give me that a drug addict or alcoholic should conceive a child she can't care for or keep. >> the kritings use harsh

language calling this nazi-style social engineering and morally reprehencible. what do you say to that? >> i don't think there's anything moral about a women giving birth to 8, 10, 21 children in the foster care system. i know that i'm doing it from my heart. i adopted four of eight children born from a drug addict in los angeles and watched how they suffered and those who object to what we're doing, they're not usually willing to adopt any of these children nor have they. yet they campaign for the right of the women to procreate. along with responsibility has to come with a right and they believe these women have a right to procreate but they're irresponsible. >> barbara is speaking from experience here so, lynn, explain your concerns about the program. >> well, we are quite confident of her sincerity and we think it's great to help people access services. there are a lot of people who want access to contraception and sex ed that didn't get it in the

country because of the policies of the last eight years and people that want drug treatment. 48% of americans can't get drug treatment and can't get it. >> address what she is doing specifically, paying the women to get sterilized or birth control so they don't have kids and given what she's lived and adopted the kids who are the children of women on drugs, what is wrong with that? >> there's nothing wrong with that similar tating people doing things they want to do. when's wrong is stereotyping a group of people saying drug users ought to be sterilized. a class of people who are dangerous by procreating because then you label their kids and them as people who shouldn't have children and it's the information she suggests that drug users are irresponsible, they all have damaged babies and none -- >> i don't think barbara is making these kind of sweeping generalizati generalizations, are you, barbara? >> actually, none of those statements would have come out of my mouth.

i live it. i seen it. i took in an 8-month-old baby girl and said she would be delayed because when she was born she tested positive for crack, pcp and now she's on the honor roll in college. people just need to understand that there's a few that are lucky and there's more than that that aren't lucky and never feel loved and it is just not fair to the kids. they're born with the cards stacked against them. >> she says more born suffering, more stacked against them. i have looked carefully at those kinds of statements all over her website -- >> but let's -- >> that's what's not true. >> deal with reality, though. >> thank you. >> we all have -- i mean, you know, without passing judgment on these people, generally we all know millions of cases of children, maybe not millions, thousands of cases of children in the foster care system really struggling and get passed off and you're -- i mean, the language is what bothers you?

it is going to stigmatize these kids? >> we are going back to blaming a certain kind of -- a group of people. when we say the group of people shouldn't have kids, we have a problem in this country and looking at the national coalition for child protection reform, there are children who are being taken away because of the stereotypes from mothers who love their children and couldn't -- >> can i just say -- >> not -- appropriate for them. >> isn't there a place in the middle where -- you don't make, again, sweeping generalizations. examine specific cases. barbara, do you not examine specific cases? it is not -- you are looking for the worst offenders here. am i right? >> lynn doesn't live in the real world, i don't think, because i have talked to thousands of these women over the last ten years and they have told me stories that would horrify you. i learned of a woman that buried the baby three feet under the

ground at a month old because she didn't want him anymore. these women tell us to never stop doing what we're doing. there's nothing positive coming a woman that gives birth to eight babies put in the system. that typically leads here deeper into addiction because she feels more regret of what she has done to yet another child. >> we talk to a lot of women. i talk to children who are in graduate school whose parents had drug problems and very happy they were born and not put into a faltering foster care system, mothers who have had serious crack problems and some baby sat for my children able to get into recovery and have healthy children. she has a story of one kind of family. and i have a story of another kind of family and where it meets is, yes, people who aren't ready to have children should be encouraged to use contraception, get help but what i would rather to have a conversation with barbara and other people is why do we live in a country so hard to get drug treatment and

contraception and we have to claim we need to pay people money to do things they want to do in the first place and don't have the help they need. >> all right. apologies. we have to end it there. it was an interesting debate. thanks for coming on. >> thank you for having me. one man's story of the chaos in the immediate aftermath of that deadly oil rig explosion. meet captain michael roberts. he is going to be here. we'll tell you his story when we come back. move with changing interest rates. but what do i know? i'm just the 800-pound gorilla in the room. [ female announcer ] make the retirement cornerstone annuity from axa equitable part of your retirement plan. consider the charges, risks, expenses and investment objectives before purchasing a variable annuity. contact a financial professional for a prospectus containing this information. read it carefully. whoo hoo! i'm ed whitacre, from general motors.

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tonight's developing news, the oil rig that blew up off the coast of louisiana tuesday on fire ever since. sank into the gulf of mexico today after 36 hours of flames setting the stage for an environmental disaster. a sheen of crude oil one mile wide, five miles long spreading across the water. more than 300,000 gallons of that oil could leak. take a look at the gulf waters right now having completely swallowed the rig. the immediate concern tonight remains the search, though, for those 11 missing workers. through all this, the coast

guard has been getting help from civilians and cnn exclusive, david mattingly talks with a captain who got as close as anyone could to the flames. >> reporter: he witnessed close up a catastrophe at sea and captured it for ireport. >> mostly everybody got off. still got got missing. >> reporter: we were there when captain roberts made his way home to his wife's embrace. he wasn't surprised to learn the burning oil rig he tried to help save had sunk into the sea. do you know that that rig is now under water? >> honestly, i expected it when i was there to totally go under. >> reporter: responding to emergency calls, roberts piloted the supply boat toward the disaster in the darkness. approaching the rig, he says it looked like the sun had come up and it felt like it when he got in close and shot this on his phone. >> i shot as much as i could but

i mean, it literally felt like you stepped into a convection oven. >> reporter: making any noise? >> it was a constant roaring. it would flare. if you can feel the heat right now -- >> reporter: the vessel joined the fire fighting efforts well into the next day. he was there when the rig began to become unstable. how close did you get? >> we were holding off about 25, 30 feet and sometimes the rig was actually swaying. >> reporter: what were you doing that close? >> trying to get as much water on it as i could. trying to help at any means necessary. i mean, that we could do without damaging the vessel and putting our crew members at risk. >> reporter: but in the end, it wasn't enough. >> all the surrounding boats in the area. >> reporter: roberts' boat and the others that joined in couldn't stop the fire from claiming the entire rig. and the possible, perhaps probable, human losses aren't

easy to talk about. what went through your mind? >> prayer. just praying for anybody who was on there. >> and david mattingly joining me right now. david, when the captain roberts got to the rig, how does he describe the scene generally? >> he says after he got there, a couple of hours after the explosion, saw the coast guard on the scene and a number of other boats and saw a lot of lifeboats that were in the water with workers in them. he says he also saw the coast guard rescuing workers, sending divers in, rescuing workers right from the water itself. so they had to be in that water for quite a -- well, at least a couple of hours before the coast guard got there. and one thing he keeps saying over and over was the magnitude of this flame. the heat that was coming off of it. he says it's a miracle anyone was able to get off that rig

unhurt. >> wow. david mattingly for us tonight, thanks very much. it is the tenth anniversary of what may have been the most dramatic international custody battle in u.s. history. the fight for elian gonz, an update on his new life in just a moment. but first, randi kaye. we start in thailand. the attacks in bangkok follow anti-government protests in the capital. a deputy prime minister says the grenades were launched from the area used by protesters but the activists deny any role. they want the prime minister to dissolve the government, leave the country and call a new election. president obama in new york city selling the plan to reform the banking industry. he told the crowd of elite wall street bankers that the rules of the game need to change. >> i'm here because i believe that these reforms are in the end not only in the best interest of our country but in

the best interest of the financial sector. and unless your business model depends on bilking people, there's little to fear from these new rules. >> a key vote on the package is set for monday. a whiff of sour grapes today from microsoft founder bill gates. gates gives a lukewarm review to the ipad calling it okay. let's get a second opinion from 99-year-old virginia campbell. she says it lets her read and write for the first time in years. >> it's opened the world. it's just great because before that, i couldn't -- i could barely see to read. >> virginia campbell has never owned a computer before and now reading books and writing limericks on it, as well. so take that, bill gates. >> wait. i guess you can make the print really big. >> yeah. i'm already doing that.

>> get that for my grandmother. thanks very much. "larry king live" starts in a few minutes. what do you have for us tonight? >> larry: oh, the wait is over, campbell. seth mcfarland, finally made it here. the creator of "family guy" is here. one of the funniest people in the world and telling us what goes on in that brain of his and what created cleveland brown among many others. seth mack farlane next. well, remember little elian gonzalez? it's been ten years since he was seized in the miami home by u.s. agents to reunite him with his father in cruba. pa passpass

it's time for m squared with mary matalin and roland martin. they'll take on the hottest topics. mary is joining us from washington and roland is in chicago. guys, what have you got? >> well, campbell, let's start with the story that washington gossip. all the president's men are talking about leaving or at least it's been rumored they're leaving from the chief of staff to o and b chief orszag and maybe robert gibbs, not unusual for a midterm course correction but kind of unusual to have so many top guns leaving. and will be problematic, i think, to the president if, in fact, they do all leave and interesting to see if he can talk them into some of them staying or the cowboys will be running the show. >> these are the games we see in washington all the time and i

think for the american american out there, they don't care. somebody will fill the job anyway and so it's not shocking we see these stories. and because again, we have been hearing this. it's washington, gossip. that's what it is. >> you know, there's a little bit of a washington parlor game but americans are more concerned than you're thinking. who's surrounding this president? it is a very big order for the american people out there to understand what informs this president and it will -- this is a little bit more than a parlor game but let's just see how it unfolds and curious to see if they leave if they cash in after all their trash talking on lobbyists. >> look. everybody cashes in these days leaving the white house, republican or democrat. so it's not shocking at all that we would expect anybody to cash in. but again, the average person sitting out there, i mean, they're not really trying to

figure out what's going on in terms of surround the president. another story that caught our eye, reverend franklin graham pulled off of the program at the pentagon, national day of prayer program because of some criticism he made with regards to islam. check this out. >> true islam cannot be practiced in this country. you can't beat your wife. you cannot murder your children if you think they have committed adultery or something. >> so okay. so mary, look. you know, he makes these comments, criticizing islam, trying to clean it up. the national day of prayer is a national day of prayer for all faiths and so i understand why he was pulled off because his comments frankly were very insensitive to muslims. >> he says he loves muslim and hates what their religion does, inspires them to do and singled out women and if you've been through the middle east and what

that religion, how it does enslave women up to and including stoning and what those in the name of islam do to children, chaining them to car bombs and such, it is -- taking the prayer aside, they can -- i get what they're saying and don't want him to be there but mostly muslims should speak out against the atrocities created in the name of islam. >> look. first of all, again. i think the people -- he made some very broad generalizations with regards to islam which is one of the reasons he had to come back and clean it up but you know what, mary? we can talk about the oppression of women in the christian faith, as well. you go to churches, they can't sit on the front row, can't wear pants. it's not like we don't have the same kind of attacks on women. the christian faith. not saying it's the same but it does exist in the christian faith, as well. >> not in my church.

>> not at your church. >> not even close. i don't know any christians that stone their women. let's move on. this is something i don't want my girls to hear that christians belittle women because they don't or learn of this. 44% of respondents say that the regulations on marijuana -- what is this a nation of potheads? should be the same for those as alcohol. i don't know about that. my libetarian sense says let's regulate it and gain some revenue off of it -- >> of course. come on now. >> but you know what? if you have kids, your feelings about this, one thing in college. it is another thing when you've got deal with kids. marijuana's not the same as alcohol. >> but here's the deal though, mary. look. you hear comedians say it all the time. that when somebody gets high on marijuana you don't see them crashing into people in the streets when they're driving. look. the bottom line is alcohol has a -- has a very negative effect

on people when they drink and the fact of the matter is we make money off of alcohol. it's harder for people to say, well, marijuana which is a natural plant is different. look. i have never done drugs. i don't drink alcohol. i don't care but we make money off one and see the other is bad. that's a problem. >> because they're two different things but i'll say this. we took the kids to amsterdam last year to see that scene in a free pot zone. you know what was smoking pot? potheads. i guess the bottom line is teach your kids to do anything and all things in moderation and responsibly. >> make some money off of it. come on. we need it. >> sounds like a capitalist, roland. go ahead. >> we need the revenue. >> there you go. >> campbell, back to you. >> thanks, guys. "larry king live" starts in just a few minutes but up next elian gonzalez, the child back then and the young man now.

elian gonzalez. it is hard to believe that it was ten years ago today that federal agents raided the relatives' home and reunited the child with his father in cuba. the prize-winning photo says it all. elian had been found months earlier off the coast of florida, the only survivor of a group of cuban citizens trying to make it to the united states. his mother was among the dead and elian's relatives in miami